Silence is the only language God speaks. Everything else is a bad translation. | |
— Rumi | |
[My message to the members of the “Christian / American Taliban”… — kmab] | |
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Posts Tagged ‘Separation of Church and State’
“Real” Americans Believe In The Separation Of Church And State
Posted in Faith, Philosophy, Quotes, tagged American Taliban, Faith, God, Philosophy, Quotes, Rumi, Separation of Church and State, Silence, Translation on August 18, 2022| Leave a Comment »
Zappa-ed!!
Posted in 2022 Book Review, Book Review, Music, Reviews, tagged 2022 Book Review, Book Review, Frank Zappa, Jägermeister, Library of Congress, Moderate to Strong book Recommendation, Mother's of Invention, Music, Peter Occhiogrosso, Rock And Roll Hall of Fame, Separation of Church and State, The Real Frank Zappa Book - book review, YouTube on May 21, 2022| Leave a Comment »
“The Real Frank Zappa Book” (1989©) — book review | |
Today’s review is for the autobiography: “The Real Frank Zappa Book“; written by: Frank Zappa and co-written by / with: Peter Occhiogrosso. | |
Background: a network system admin colleague was listening to some music when I approached him for assistance. I asked about what he was listening to and he said it was Frank Zappa and the “Mother’s of Invention”. He then proceeded to tell me how great Zappa was and that he listened to a Zappa show on the radio every Friday night where this little station ran a two hour program on Zappa’s music. My friend said there was nothing more relaxing than sitting in an easy chair with a tumbler of Jägermeister and listening to Zappa to kick off a weekend. I was familiar with the “name” but (honestly) could not recall a single song or album, but I said I’d check it out based on his (my friend’s) recommendation. | |
Well, I still haven’t gotten around to listening to the radio and I don’t know if the broadcast is still happening every Friday evening, but I was in the used book store (several years ago) and I saw this book and picked it up to add to my reading list. I keep seeing Zappa’s name referred to in my guitar studies, so I finally made a point of opening (and reading) it. | |
Who is Frank Zappa and why should we care about him or his views (on anything)? Zappa is / was (died 1993) an American musician, singer, composer, songwriter and bandleader. He self-produced over 50 albums and his estate had published another 30+ albums of “new” material since his death. He was a self-taught musician and composer. He claims to not be a very great guitarist, but that is the only instrument I ever knew him to play and he’s said to be one of the top 100 guitarists in history. His book says he originally learned music on a drum set and picked up guitar later. He was also reasonably well known for his libertarian political views particularly about free speech and the separation of church and state. Zappa is in both the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and has an album in the Library of Congress preserved for its historical significance. Zappa’s music is a blend of rock, jazz, fusion, concert / symphonic music with a heavy dose of political / social satire – comedy. He poked fun at both the left and the right. | |
What’s in this book and is it any good? The book is really several parts: 1) a personal biography; 2) a discussion of his career and production thoughts about the music industry; and, 3) Zappa’s views on various political and social / societal trends. I didn’t find his biography interesting. I thought his comments on music and the industry were very insightful. I was only mildly amused by his political stances and societal observations. While I might personally agree with much of his stances and observations, I found his sarcasm / humor tiring long before the end of the book. | |
Part 1) I grew up poor and we moved around a lot. My escape was music. I learned about it on my own by listening to an unfiltered variety of sound(s). I got ripped off constantly by almost everyone else in the music business. (Pgs 1 – 137) | |
Part 2) Everybody is out to screw the composer / artist. Including, but not limited to: all production companies, all music unions, all venue owners, all governments (local and national), most fellow musicians, and, most hangers-on / groupies. (Pgs 139 – 209) | |
Part 3) Small, efficient government is the best. Taxation should be limited to sales and should not include income – to have some hope of charging taxes on the wealthy as well as the workers. All organized religion(s) and “church” institutions are corrupt (themselves) and corrupting to governments which allow them to have political influence. There should be a full separation of Church and State. Public education is a “mostly” a waste of money. Education post-high school should be paid for by the individual only. Special interest groups (guns and religion lobbies) have too much influence in America. You cannot legislate morality and you should not be allowed to use morality to limit freedom of speech (particularly in the arts and music industries). (Pgs 211 – 352 / end) | |
Final recommendation: moderate to strong. As stated previously, I didn’t find Zappa’s personal life (growing up or music performing) very interesting. I found his thoughts about the concept of music (and art in general) VERY interesting. This section was the strength of the book. I would have been over the moon if he had devoted the rest of the book to elaborating on his theories of sound / art / artistry / and music production. Unfortunately, he didn’t. The final chunk of the book was “really” only moderately interesting. My impression was: “this is filler to add 80 extra pages”. Again, just because I agree with an authors’ statements, doesn’t mean I like / enjoy how they choose to express the statements. The book was worth the time invested in reading it , if only to gain an appreciation of a historic music figure. I will be offering up some quotes from it in the future. – BUT – except for the discussion on music / art, I can’t say the book inspired much after-thought / reflection. (Actually, I’ve already posted a few of Zappa’s quotes, but didn’t know they were from this book. I will probably get around to updating those prior posts at some point.) | |
Afterwords: I have made an effort to go to YouTube and sample some of Zappa’s performances. I’ve yet to be impressed. Mostly, what I’ve heard has been ok. JUST ok. They remind me of what you’d hear at a county / state fair. If anyone reading this can provide specific suggestions, I’d be more than happy to check them out. I will say, I have found the video’s of his interviews to be much more interesting than the music I’ve listened to. | |
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Never Asked
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Politics, Quotes, tagged Address To Yale Seminary Students, Faith, Politics, Quotes, Separation of Church and State, Timothy Dwight, Yale Seminary on March 11, 2014| Leave a Comment »
The nation has offended Providence. We formed our Constitution without any acknowledgment of God; without any recognition of His mercies to us, as a people, of His government, or even of His existence. The [Constitutional] Convention, by which it was formed, never asked even once, His direction, or His blessings, upon their labours. Thus we commenced our national existence under the present system, without God. | |
— Yale Seminary President Timothy Dwight | |
Address to students, July 23, 1812 | |
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Taken Back
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, History, Quotes, tagged Faith, Gordon S. Wood, History, Is the United States a Christian nation?, Letter to the Editor, Los Angeles Time, Moral Majority, On Christianity, On Politics, Quotes, Rev. Richard T. Zuelch, Separation of Church and State, The Radicalism of the American Revolution on March 10, 2014| 3 Comments »
Gordon S. Wood, in his 1992 book, “The Radicalism of the American Revolution,” states that, by the 1790’s only about 10% of the American population regularly attended religious services to quote just one statistic. Not exactly an indication of a wholehearted national commitment to Christianity! It is a matter of simple historical fact that the United States was not founded as, nor was it ever intended to be, a Christian nation. That there were strong, long-lasting Christian influences involved in the nation’s earliest history, due to the Puritan settlements and those of other religious persons escaping European persecution, cannot be denied. But that is a long way from saying that colonial leaders, by the time of the outbreak of the Revolution, were intending to form a nation founded on specifically Christian principles and doctrine. | |
We Christians do ourselves no favor by bending history to suit our prejudices or to accommodate wishful thinking. Rather than continue to cling to a “Moral Majority”-style fantasy that says America is a Christian nation that needs to be “taken back” from secular unbelief (we can’t “take back” what we never had), it would be much healthier for us Christians to face reality, holding to what Jesus himself said in the Gospels: that Christians should never be surprised at the hostility with which the gospel would be greeted by the world, because most people would fail to believe in him, thereby strongly implying that, in every age and country, Christianity would always be a minority faith. | |
— Rev. Richard T. Zuelch | |
Letter to the Editor | |
Los Angeles Times | |
14 August 1995 | |
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Affirming The Wall
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Politics, Quotes, tagged Everson v. Board of Education, Faith, Justice Hugo Black, Politics, Quotes, Separation of Church and State on March 9, 2014| 2 Comments »
The “establishment of religion” clause of the First Amendment means at least this: neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups, and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect “a wall of separation between church and State.” | |
— Justice Hugo Black | |
In the U.S. Supreme Court majority opinion of: “Everson v. Board of Education“, 1947 | |
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Truth Shift
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Philosophy, Politics, Quotes, tagged Faith, John Locke, Letters Concerning Toleration, On Politics, Opinions, Philosophy, Quotes, Religion In Politics, Separation of Church and State, Truth on March 7, 2014| Leave a Comment »
The business of laws is not to provide for the truth of opinions, but for the safety and security of the commonwealth, and of every particular man’s goods and person. And so it ought to be. For the truth certainly would do well enough if she were once left to shift for herself. | |
— John Locke | |
From: “Letters Concerning Toleration“ | |
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The Spirit Of Liberty
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, My Journal, Philosophy, Politics, Quotes, tagged Billings Learned Hand, Great Speeches, I AM an American Day, My Journal, Philosophy, Politics, Quotes, Separation of Church and State, The Pledge Of Allegiance, The Spirit Of Liberty on January 24, 2013| Leave a Comment »
We have gathered here to affirm a faith, a faith in a common purpose, a common conviction, a common devotion. | |
Some of us have chosen America as the land of our adoption; the rest have come from those who did the same. For this reason we have some right to consider ourselves a picked group, a group of those who had the courage to break from the past and brave the dangers and the loneliness of a strange land. What was the object that nerved us, or those who went before us, to this choice? We sought liberty – freedom from oppression, freedom from want, freedom to be ourselves. This then we sought; this we now believe that we are by way of winning. What do we mean when we say that first of all we seek liberty? I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws, and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it. And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few – as we have learned to our sorrow. | |
What then is the spirit of liberty? I cannot define it; I can only tell you my own faith. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the minds of other men and women; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own without bias; the spirit of liberty remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded; the spirit of liberty is the spirit of Him who, near 2,000 years ago, taught mankind that lesson it has never learned, but has never quite forgotten; that there may be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and considered side by side with the greatest. | |
And now in that spirit, that spirit of an America which has never been, and which may never be; nay, which never will be except as the conscience and courage of Americans creates it; yet in the spirit of that America which lies hidden in some form in the aspirations of us all; in that spirit of liberty and of America so prosperous, and safe, and contented, we shall have failed to grasp its meaning, and shall have been truant to its promise, except as we strive to make it a signal, a beacon, a standard to which the best hopes of mankind will ever turn; In confidence that you share that belief, I now ask you to raise your hand and repeat with me this pledge: | |
I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands — One nation, Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | |
— Judge Billings Learned Hand | |
Presented in 1944 during “I AM an American Day“ | |
Judge Hand was the Chief Justice of the Court of Appeals in New York | |
[Interestingly, the above “quote” is not the one which originally appears in my journal. It appears there are several versions of the speech with the last paragraph different in each. I have here an amalgamation of three – including the one from my journal. | |
Also, note the difference in the Pledge of Allegiance from what it appears today. In the 1950’s, under pressure from the Catholics, the Congress “officially” altered the Pledge to include the words “…One nation, under God, Indivisible…”. This was a reaction to the threat of the Godless Communist. I sometimes wonder what the Founding Fathers would have thought of this change as they almost universally favored a separation of Church and State. — kmab] | |
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Greater Purity
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Politics, Quotes, tagged James Madison, Politics, Quotes, Separation of Church and State on May 6, 2011| Leave a Comment »
Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together. | |
— James Madison | |
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Happy Disproof
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Politics, Quotes, tagged Faith, Family and Friends, James Madison, Politics, Quotes, Separation of Church and State on May 4, 2011| Leave a Comment »
The experience of the United States is a happy disproof of the error so long rooted in the unenlightened minds of well-meaning Christians, as well as in the corrupt hearts of persecuting usurpers, that without a legal incorporation of religious and civil polity, neither could be supported. | |
— James Madison | |
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A Different Lesson
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Politics, Quotes, tagged Faith, Family and Friends, James Madison, Politics, Quotes, Second Letter from Phocion, Separation of Church and State on May 2, 2011| Leave a Comment »
There is a bigotry in politics, as well as in religions, equally pernicious in both. The zealots, of either description, are ignorant of the advantage of a spirit of toleration… The cry was, these people will be equally the disturbers of the hierarchy and of the state. …Time and experience have taught a different lesson: and there is not an enlightened nation, which does not now acknowledge the force of this truth, that whatever speculative notions of religion may be entertained, men will not on that account, be enemies to a government, that affords them protection and security. | |
— James Madison | |
From: “Second Letter from Phocion (1784)” | |
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Skeptical Fathers
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Philosophy, Politics, Reading, Science and Learning, Serendipity and Chaos, tagged Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Brooke Allen, Founding Fathers, George Washington, James Madison, John Adams, Moral Minority - book review, Philosophy, President Thomas Jefferson, Reading, Recommended Reading, Religion, Separation of Church and State on April 20, 2011| 2 Comments »
Yesterday, I developed a bad sore throat. I made it through the work day, but it was getting progressively worse. I woke up around 2:30am with difficulty breathing, unable to swallow, and what felt like sandpaper at the back of my throat and a walnut under each of my jaws. This morning I went to the doctor’s office and was told it’s viral not bacterial, so all I can do is continue to gargle and hang in there (lots of fluids and rest) for a few days and it’ll go away. | |
So today I completed “Moral Minority: Our Skeptical Founding Fathers“, written by Brooke Allen (2006©). The book is about the religious beliefs of six of the “Founding Fathers” of the United States of America (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Adams). If you’ll pardon the pun, the book has been a revelation to me!! | |
I had always assumed our Founding Fathers were highly religious (Protestant) Christians. It seems this is mostly (but not entirely) untrue. For example, Washington was an occasional church attendee, but he never participated in communion. In fact, when communion was about to begin, he would stand and leave the service. When confronted about this behaviour, he admitted he never considered it to be distracting to others attending the service. Although he continued to occasionally attend services, he never attended another service where communion was to be offered. The rest, although raised in Christian faith, appear to be mostly Deists. The exception being Hamilton, who seems to have re-discovered Christianity late in life – but not early enough to have had it significantly affect his politics. | |
In any case, all were stridently against the mixture of Church and State, and so it seems strange to me to think the Religious Right in today’s America hold up the Founding Fathers as the guides in returning the United States to our religious and political roots. It seems they (the Religious Right) either don’t read (or refuse to understand / believe) the history of our country. Well, what else is new? | |
After presenting a chapter on each of the six Founding Fathers, the book concludes with two chapters describing the world which produces the Founding Fathers and some of the turmoil and issues since 1787. Both chapters are excellent overviews of the religious / political worlds before and after our Constitution and are worth the price of the book themselves. | |
I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in American History, Politics or the specific issue of the separation of Church and State. Rest assured you will see numerous quotes from this book over the next few months… | |
And lest I forget to mention, this is one of the two books I purchased with the gift certificate my daughter Rebecca gave me for my birthday. Thanks Bec, this book has brought me hours of enjoyable reading and reflective thought!! | |
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A Founding Father’s Argument Against Public Funding Of Religious Education
Posted in Faith Family and Friends, Philosophy, Politics, Quotes, Reading, tagged James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, Philosophy, Religious Tolerance, Separation of Church and State, Virgina House of Delegates on April 17, 2011| Leave a Comment »
In the 200+ year history of this country, every few years there is an attack on the separation of Church and State in the United States. These attacks have been more or less consistent for the last 50 years. These attacks come mostly from those who seek political gain from the lack of historical knowledge by current citizenry of the actual beliefs of our “Founding Fathers”. | |
One of those “Founding Fathers” – James Madison – was the fourth President of the United States, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, and he is widely considered to be the “Father of the Bill of Rights”. | |
In 1785, while Madison was serving in the Virginia House of Delegates, there was an attempt to pass a bill providing public support for teachers of religious education. Madison’s “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments” was his response. It serves today as a reminder that the Fathers of our country REALLY did believe in the separation of Church and State and did NOT support public funding of Christian (or any other religious) education. | |
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