“We Were Soldiers” — (2002) movie review | |
Today’s movie review is for the film depicting the first major air-mobile battle of American forces in Vietnam in the Ia Drang Valley which occurred in 1965. The movie stars Mel Gibson as the commanding officer Lt. Colonel Hal Moore and Madeleine Stowe as his wife: Julia Moore. Other main actors include: Greg Kinnear, Sam Elliott, Chris Klein and Keri Russell. Kinnear is a helicopter pilot; Elliott is the battalion First Sergeant; Klein is a junior officer (2nd Lieutenant) and Russell is his wife. | |
The basic plot shows how a “gung-ho” Army leader forms a unit, trains his officers / men to implement a new technology (helicopters and air-cavalry) and then leads them in a “major” engagement with the enemy. Unfortunately, the engagement shown is Lt. Col. Moore is leading his men into a trap where his men are cut-off from direct (non-airbased) support, surrounded and heavily outnumbered: roughly 10 to 1. The bulk of the movie is about their three day battle to survive (“win”). The essence of the Vietnam conflict is shown as superior American mobility and firepower (air and artillery) versus a dedicated / committed adversary willing to use close engagement (hand-to-hand) to negate the enemies strengths. | |
There are three “main” secondary plots / story lines: 1) the effects of military life (death) on the families of the soldiers (limited to officer’s families); 2) the civil rights / racial issues which were erupting in civilian society and getting carried into the military (depicted mainly on the family side); and, 3) combat leadership and how it differs from non-combatant and political leadership. The first sub-plot is intertwined with the bulk of the combat portion. The societal issues are mainly presented in the early portion (training) of the film – and, again, by the families / spouses. The leadership sub-plot is just sprinkled in and is more implied than actually shown. As it turns out, there were significant portions of this sub-plot which only appear in the “deleted scenes”. I had to view these on YouTube as my version of the movie does not include the “extras”. | |
So, what did I think? Is this a good movie? Is it an accurate depiction of combat / war / military life? Is this an “anti-war” movie or is it a glorification of war movie? Were the sub-plots interesting / accurate? And, lastly, to paraphrase “Gladiator“: was I entertained? In order: yes; yes; more anti-war than I thought it would be; yes – the sub-plots were interesting, accurate and important to the movie; and finally, NO! This isn’t an “entertainment” movie. The time spent watching it was well spent, but while I can be entertained by over-the-top special effects / Sci-Fi movies, I don’t watch many horror / slasher movies and I don’t find realistic depictions of war “entertaining” – no matter how much I may “like” the film. To me, it’s similar to reading a book to learn about something, versus reading a book to be entertained. This is a “learning” film; it is not an “entertaining” film | |
If you like(d) any of the more recent “war / combat” movies: “Saving Private Ryan“, “Fury“, “Hacksaw Ridge” or “Black Hawk Down“, you will almost certainly “like” this film. I liked all of the above and I liked this movie, too. This film depicts heroism and personal risk / injury without a glorification backdrop. The film shows combat: brutality, chaos and terror. In a refreshing turn, the movie shows the “enemy” in an almost equally positive light: they are fighting for their country, on their land, and they have families “back home”, too. This was one aspect of the film which I really did not expect as “the other side” is rarely shown in a positive light – otherwise, how would you understand you’re supposed to hate them and root for them to lose / die. | |
Anyway, as an amateur military historian, I found the first section (the character introductions) with the unit formation to be very interesting. I found the description of the air-mobile infantry (Air-Cav) and the specific references to the unit combat limitations to be both accurate and insightful. I found the sub-plots also accurate – as far as my limited experience was concerned, but maybe a bit too glossed over. I was single during the 1970’s when I was on active duty, so all of my “personal” information about family life / support is really second hand. The racial issues had not gone away between the film’s period (1965) and my service time (mid-70’s). And, I don’t think there is ANY doubt (IMHO) the “Congressional / military / industrial complex” has only gotten worse since the 1960’s. | |
The film concludes with a visit by Col. Moore to the Vietnam Memorial “Wall” in Washington, D.C. and a list of the seventy-nine Americans who died in the battle. It is an emotionally powerful scene on par with the cemetery scene in “Saving Private Ryan“. | |
Final recommendation: highly recommended movie. This is one of the “better” military genre movies I’ve seen in some time. This is not an anti-war movie, but it also does not extrapolate the personal integrity and heroism of the individual American soldier on to the American government or senior military command structure. A note of caution: the combat scenes are brutal, realistic and sometimes horrifying. This movie is not for the squeamish. | |
Final comment: if you’re wondering why I’d never bothered to see this before… Two reasons: 1) I’m not an “all-in” / committed Mel Gibson fan. I’ve enjoyed his directing more than his acting. Also, 2) when this movie came out I was not keen on supporting U.S. military adventurism around the world. At that time, I wanted revenge for “9/11”, not occupation and nation-building in Afghanistan. I did not support an invasion of Iraq and foreign government toppling. I may have been wrong, but I viewed movies and TV shows in this genre as propaganda for the Bush Administration and a “war of choice” in Iraq. Despite the quality of this individual movie (in that time period), I still hold that “propaganda” view / opinion. | |
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The Valley Of Death
Posted in Movie Review, Movies, Reviews, tagged 9/11, Afghanistan, Air-Cav, Air-Mobile, Battle Of Ia Drang, Black Hawk Down, Bush Administration, Chris Klein, Civil Rights, Fury, Gladiator, Greg Kinnear, Hacksaw Ridge, Highly Recommended Movie, Iraq, Julia Moore, Keri Russell, Lt. Col. Hal Moore, Madeleine Stowe, Mel Gibson, Reviews, Sam Elliot, Saving Private Ryan, Vietnam Memorial, Vietnam War, We Were Soldiers on August 23, 2022| 4 Comments »
Remember Your Duty In November
Posted in Philosophy, Politics, Quotes, tagged Bush Administration, Democracy, Fair Game, God Bless America, Iraq War, Joseph C. Wilson IV, Philosophy, Politics, Quotes, Sean Penn, State Of The Union, Truth, Tyranny, Valerie Plame, White House on October 10, 2018| 1 Comment »
The responsibility of a country is not in the hands of a privileged few. We are strong, and we are free from tyranny as long as each one of us remembers his or her duty as a citizen. Whether it’s to report a pothole at the top of your street or lies in a State of the Union address, speak out! Ask those questions. Demand that truth. Democracy is not a free ride, man. I’m here to tell you. But, this is where we live. And if we do our job, this is where our children will live. God bless America. | |
— Joseph C. Wilson IV (played by Sean Penn) | |
Former United States diplomat who’s wife (Valerie Plame) was depicted as a CIA “operative” outed by the White House during the Iraq War | |
The quote is taken from the movie: “Fair Game“ | |
[I will leave it to future historians to settle the dispute of Ms. Plame’s status, the reason for Mr. Wilson’s trips to Africa and whether or not the Bush Administration publicly “outed” a government asset. — kmab] | |
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Inequality Of Sacrifice
Posted in Leadership, Politics, Quotes, tagged Bush Administration, Leadership, Military Men, Mission Accomplished, Politics, Quotes, War In Afghanistan, War In Iraq, Ward Just on January 23, 2014| Leave a Comment »
Beyond that, the civilian leadership did not rally the country round the war; it insisted on both guns and butter, a short-term, short-sighted formulation that created awful psychological dilemmas, among both those who served and those who did not. Among them was the inequality of sacrifice. It was a bankrupt policy, fundamentally immoral and essentially divisive. | |
— Ward Just | |
From his book: “Military Men“ | |
[If you close your eyes, you can still picture President Bush standing in front of a sign saying “Mission Accomplished” or (shortly after 9-11) hearing him advise Americans to show the terrorists they can’t win by going out to the nearest mall and doing some shopping. | |
For the first time in American history the country went to war and refused to pay for it. In fact, the Bush Administration carried the cost of the war (and other national security costs) “off books” so it would not be “considered” part of the national budget. We have now been engaged in Afghanistan for over a decade and are only recently out of Iraq. We have tens of thousands of unemployed and injured veterans, and, on television, we see private charities asking for funds to assist the injured vets and their families. | |
What we should be doing is raising the taxes on the “one-percent” to fully pay for the on-going war effort, the retraining of veterans who have chosen to return to civilian life, and for those injured vets and their families, full pay for their recovery and support. No family should be out of pocket one-red-cent to be housed near a veteran recovering from a war-related injury. | |
But what do I know? I’m just a liberal Democrat… | |
Actually, Mr. Ward’s book was written back in the early 1970’s and this quote is describing U.S. participation in the Vietnam War, not our recent conflicts in the middle-East and Asia. — kmab] | |
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Memorial Day, 2011
Posted in Pictures, Politics, Quotes, tagged Army Chief Of Staff, Baghdad, Bush Administration, CENTCOM, Chosin, Deptartment of Veterans Affairs, Donal Rumsfeld, Eric K. Shinseki, General John Abizaid, General Shinseki, Gettysburg, Ia Drang, Iraq, Joint Chiefs Of Staff, Khe Sanh, Korengal, Marja, Memorial Day - 2011, Mosul, Normandy, Paul Wolfowitz, Politics, Seoul, Shahe' Kot, Tarawa, VA, Washington Crossing on May 30, 2011| Leave a Comment »
Remarks by Secretary Eric K. Shinseki A Memorial Day Message from Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric K. Shinseki Washington, DC May 30, 2011 |
Today, we pay homage to those who placed themselves on the Altar of Freedom for love of country. Memorial Day is a time for remembrance, reflection, and respect — for honoring the men and women who gave their lives in service to the Nation. |
On the last Monday of May each year, we observe moments of silence and moments of tribute to acknowledge the sacrifices by these brave few for principles greater than self. In answering their calls to duty — at Tarawa and Normandy, Seoul and Chosin, the Ia Drang and Khe Sanh, and at Baghdad and Mosul, the Shahe’ Kot, Korengal, and Marja, or any of a host of other crossroads of conflict — these American men and women stood their ground, held back the dark forces of oppression and destruction, and advanced our founding principles, ideals, beliefs, and values about the right of self-determination. They cherished liberty and loved freedom enough to lay down their lives to preserve our way of life. |
Many lie in final rest in our national cemeteries. Whether at Gettysburg, one of our country’s first national cemeteries, or at Washington Crossing, our most recent dedication, each VA national cemetery is a sacred place of honor befitting the great deeds and sacrifices of the Fallen. |
More than 3.7 million Americans — Veterans of every war and conflict, from our Revolution to the Global War on Terror — have been laid to rest in these hallowed shrines. The quiet serenity, pristine nature, and strict adherence to time-honored Service traditions make our cemeteries the healing places where families and friends can remember and honor those who gave, in President Lincoln’s words, “the last full measure of devotion.” |
This Memorial Day, a Nation at war prays for peace and the safe return of our sons and daughters, even as it exacts justice from those who trampled our most cherished principles. Now, as then, in addition to our prayers for peace, we pray for the families of the Fallen. And we pray for the Almighty’s continued blessings on this great and wonderful country of ours. |
[The above photo and remarks have been taken from the Department of Veterans Affairs web site. — KMAB] |
[The following is taken from the Wikipedia biography about General (now Secretary) Shinseki: “General Shinseki publicly clashed with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld during the planning of the war in Iraq over how many troops the U.S. would need to keep in Iraq for the postwar occupation of that country. As Army Chief of Staff, General Shinseki testified to the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee that “something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers” would probably be required for postwar Iraq. This was an estimate far higher than the figure being proposed by Secretary Rumsfeld in his invasion plan, and it was rejected in strong language by both Rumsfeld and his Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, who was another chief planner of the invasion and occupation. From then on, Shinseki’s influence on the Joint Chiefs of Staff reportedly waned. Critics of the Bush Administration alleged that Shinseki was forced into early retirement as Army Chief of staff because of his comments on troop levels, but the claim is disputed. |
When the insurgency took hold in postwar Iraq, Shinseki’s comments and their public rejection by the civilian leadership were often cited by those who felt the Bush administration deployed too few troops to Iraq. On November 15, 2006, in testimony before Congress, CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid said that General Shinseki had been correct that more troops were needed.” |
I remember watching the evening’s news clips of General Shinseki’s Congressional testimony and thinking – “there sits the last honorable General on active duty”. When he was later proven correct, I smiled to myself and wondered how many of our losses could have been avoided if the General’s testimony had been received by an equally honorable Congress. — KMAB] |
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